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To start the session are, maybe you could give the listeners of background on where you come from, what you’re trying to do, so that that way they can have a little lay of the land.

Yeah, of course, I essentially…

I’m a bit of a strange combination of things, my educational background is, first and foremost, I did my bachelor’s degree in nutrition and nutraceuticals Science, and then I proceeded to do my Master’s at the same university of the University of Guelph in human health sciences. And so with that, I was very interested obviously in the nutritional side of things, but I never felt like I just wanted to be in research or just wanted to be in clinical nutrition. I always felt like I wanted to do something more, and I always imagined myself in a really integrated holistic type practice where you could address people’s health from all these different perspectives, and it actually morphed into this strange thing where I ended up collaborating with a natural skin care company based out of Toronto, Canada. And that’s what I do during the day, as I’m the Science and wellness manager at the skin care company, and I use all of those dimensions of wellness to bring healthy living to the forefront of skin health. So that’s what I do during the day. But when I was in my university degree, I was still very connected to nutrition and health, and I was always part of my athletic community, and so I started working on a passion project on the side that morphed into fuel-proof Health and field proof really is a place and network a resource for athletes that’s designed to focus on a high performance in a sustainable way, so we’re trying to give athletes motivation and confidence so that they can make lifelong nutritional choices and movement choices that will develop the whole person and can carry out throughout life, so I kind of balance these two, my main kind of job and then as well, they sort of passion project on the side.

Yeah, and that’s really interesting too, because you’re getting both sides of the businesses and marrying them together, but you’ve also had some experience in school beyond what maybe other people that are in the nutritional space have, not just from the provider side, but also you have some formal education. So with your master’s, what did you do there? What do you study there that you think has really kind of helped you with your job now a lot is more broader concept, so learning how to look into the literature, decipher what makes a good quality study and what is more bias, and then you can extract that information and being able to communicate it to people, just a lay person, a skill that really helped me and help me in both of my job, helping athletes, but also helping the average consumer understand what to look for when they’re looking for reputable skin care and things that can actually make a difference in the look and function of the RTS in… So any science degree or any kind of education, I think you learn these very specific skills, so maybe at a cellular level, how the body is working, but I think these broader concepts and that little bit of skepticism really helps when you’re marketing something, when you’re trying to explain concepts of people to… Those skills definitely help me in all places in my life, really… And do you think that with doing the master’s degree, because you have to be able to translate that knowledge, you’re talking about that high end kind of professional medical knowledge in a pub meta article or something at that, and translate that into the everyday person who maybe doesn’t have that much industry experience, do you find that that has an impact on the outcome for people, if they understand what they’re doing, do you find that they get better result or do you find… It’s really just for your knowledge…

Oh, absolutely, for the client, because they hear all of this information, there’s so much information coming at them every single day from different sources, and a lot of the time when people say, Oh, I did some research, it just means Googling and reading some of the articles, put there, and a lot of those articles maybe just give them the top line information and they don’t necessarily understand it and they don’t necessarily believe it because they get so much contradictory information every day, so being able to say, Here’s some actual research, some clinical articles and pulling the information and translating it, bringing it down to a very understandable level, they appreciate that, and then they can actually act on that information.

And in your experience going from fuel-proof and having your full-day job, do you notice any significant differences ’cause one’s more of an entrepreneurial, kind of on your own sort of thing with maybe some other team members, but then the other one’s very integrated, but do you find a difference between the two of them since you’re sharing the same knowledge… Yeah, they definitely have their differences completely to my day job at the continent, Skin Care is the company that I work for in my day job, and we do have a larger team than fuel prof. absolutely, and I think there’s a lot of skills that do translate the way that we market information, the way that you talk to clients, but we’re working with two different consumer demographics, really… People that are interested in skin care are maybe completely different than the athletes I work with, but there is a lot of overlap in the way that people take in information and they do learn in similar ways, so that scientific translation, it really is similar across the two… And in your experience, what do you think is most important for someone that is a student athlete, you kind of talked about that early on, and if somebody’s gonna put all this effort into becoming a great athlete, obviously 50% of that’s gonna come down to what they do… And they’re not there, their diet, they’re exercise, and all these other pieces is outside of their sport, so where do you see what you’re doing fit into the student athlete kind of population… Yeah, that’s a really good question. Athletes are very tricky because often they’re extremely self-motivated and they also have this discipline that tends to push them sometimes over the edge, and that’s why I started fuel-proof was I went into kind of a dark place from sport, and I had to bring myself out of that and learn a lot about my body and the way that I view nutrition and sports, and so I think with a student athletes, most important thing is to find that balance and it’s much easier said than done, and I think that’s in goal of fuel proof is is to provide that scientific noble information and the tools to help people find that sustainable balance, and really, it can never just be about the sport, it’s about all dimensions of wellness, so your mental health, your physical health, your social health, how you’re interacting with the world, around you, striking that balance between all those factors is the best thing that you can do if the student athlete and finding your rhythm and finding how you can think about academics and all these other factors in a really crucial time in your life being 20… 18 years old sometimes, it can be a challenge, so finding that balance and finding what works for you… Yeah, and that’s a really interesting concept too, because I think people look at athletics and education, realized that at the university or college level, a lot of times those could tie together because they’re going to school for the degree, but they’re also going there for sports, and it’s interesting with me, living in the United States now, you see a huge push in US colleges for athletics actually over academics in most part, which… That’s not there here in… Over there, I think that it’s probably a mis-representation of most schools, but people take athletics very, very seriously here, and because of that, I think the kind of work that you’re doing applies even more in the US than Cena, ’cause there’s so many student athletes and the pressure that comes with that to these athletes that perceive their role in the university community, just to be there for sport, that’s a lot, that can be an unhealthy place to be often, so it definitely impacts the overall health of these athletes.

Yeah, and I think the transition that happens for a lot of these athletes, and I personally saw this because I went to an undergraduate in Canada, went to a doctorate level in the United States, I got both education systems, and one of the things that I noticed right off the bat, is that people, once they leave school and they were in that non-academic role, they’re in that kind of sports role or athletic role, they almost don’t know what to do when they finish school because their whole identities in Rio from under them, they realize they’re not gonna be a professional athlete, they realized they love diet and exercise and what they do, but they really have no idea how to translate that into the real world, so… What your thought on that? Do you think that’s a problem? Do you think it’s just kind of a mindset thing? How do they fix that?

Yeah, it is definitely something that can become a problem, and this is sort of what fuel proof is trying to do as well, is getting people to look at sport as not just what they’re training for this season or this particular race that’s coming up, but looking at how movement and food can enrich your life and doing it for more than just their sport, but doing it because there’s a mental health benefit to exercise in movement and there’s implications of movement injuries, movement, these injuries that can affect you in your older life, things like bone density are hugely dependent on what you do in your 20s, and that can affect how you live as an adult when you’re 80 years old, when you’re even 60 and 70 years old, so finding that place where you’re keeping active and you’re eating well, not just for performance, but because it’s something that’s helping you be a healthier person, I think that’s really key during those very intense periods of athleticism for a lot of students in school and recognizing the symptoms and making sure that you’re having a healthy relationship with those athletic endeavors that can be really crucial to making sure that it’s part of your identity, but it’s not consuming your entire identity.

Yeah, and I think the really key point there is that you talked about what you do in your 20s is really critical. And so I kind of asked this question to you, Is it genetics or lifestyle that you value more, that I value more or that people… I mean, I… What do you think people will benefit more from, is it really like, Hey, your genetic makeup is the way it is, and that’s just how it’s gonna be, or is it about how you eat and how you exercise, ’cause there’s kind of this balance between both… There’s people say, Oh, I’m big boned or small bone or whatever it is, and that’s really kind of a push towards genetics, but I think… There’s something to be said about what you do to your body. right, 100%. I don’t have the answer that science doesn’t have the answer for that, it’s the age-old question of nature over nurture, so what’s written in our DNA and what can we choose… And there’s a lot of ways to look at this, and the scientific evidence does show that through behavioral and environmental changes, we have the ability to turn on and turn off different genes, so the aphelion or methylation of certain teams that can actually… So that can actually start to express or suppress certain teams, so there is a potentially the ability for us to re-write what’s in our DNA, however, I also think that mentality has a massive impact on how we move and how we act as human, so I was actually, in my university degree, I was part of a research study that looked at whether you got your genetic information that told you that you had a previous position to a certain disorder, whether you changed your nutritional habits based on knowing that you did or didn’t have that specific order, and they actually found that those that were given simply the information about how to prevent the disorder changed their actions more than the people that receive the information saying that they had that disorder. And so to break it down a little bit, sometimes if you’re told that you have the predisposition to a certain disease, you think it’s out of your hands and you kind of throw in the towel, but if you’re just given information saying, Hey, here are some strategies to live a healthier life, people are more willing to make those changes thinking that they’re in the driver seat and they have control over those, so it just needs to… The mentality of where we draw our motivation from and if we think that we have control over a situation. So in practice, I think by saying I’m not a runner, I was never built as a runner, you’re not gonna be a runner, but from my personal experience, I wasn’t someone who was tall and lean in my sort of university career, I was on the rowing team, so I was, you know, someone who had quite large quad muscles, I was not lean, I was very strong and muscular, and after I graduated university, that’s when I switched to long distance running, and if I had thought I’m not a runner, I’ll never be a runner then no I would never have become a runner by being able to just do running because it was something I enjoyed, it was something I wanted to do for a challenge, and I focused on the sort of performance goals I had, my body than adapted and changed, and I became… What most people would consider to be a runner, so I think there is a certain degree of genetic predisposition, but we shouldn’t let that stop us from working towards, especially in athletics, working board, that kind of goal that we have.

Yeah, and it’s really interesting too that you kinda put out the fact that you talked really about epigenetics there, and the environment that you place the body in, or the environment you place the mind and has an impact in the way that you express or repress specific types of genes in the body, and it’s interesting that Craig Venter, who did the Human Genome Project, Helen a lot at parts of the human makeup and tried to figure out, Well, we’re 90-Something percent the same, but there’s this percentage where we’re different in… The question is, is, are we different genetically up front without any impact, or are we actually different through an epigenetic expression, either the food we eat, the people we talk to, the way the mental health is… Exercise, Di-alike, whatever it is. And one of the things that I think the human genome project is really looking at right now is what is the epigenetic expression, right, the…

What can we do to our bodies to improve either the outcome, either physically or mentally, and I think that, like you said, it’s a question that hasn’t been answered yet, but at the same time, I think it’s worthwhile to look at what people are doing that are healthy and one of the biggest examples of this, I think, is the Blue Zones. Are you familiar with that at all?

Actually, no, I’m not.

So the blue zones are kind of an interesting concept. And what that is, is there’s these pockets around the world that have the highest life expectancy, and basically what they’ve done is they’ve done some acute research, so these short-term studies in a couple of long-term dates, but mostly short-term to look at What is the lifestyle, what is the diet, what is the kind of overall make-up or the epi genetic expression of people in these… I think it’s eight or maybe nine regions around the world, and these people all live over 95 years old, and it’s interesting because one of the things that is found in all of the regions that are blue zones right now, is that they all take in a small amount of all calls.

And that’s a very interesting component for people, ’cause they say there’s always this, don’t drink alcohol, it’s mad for you need to have a really healthy diet, and I just… And it’s not to say that they don’t have a good diet, most the people actually do have a good day, but every single meal that they have, or almost every single meal have, they have some type of wine most of the time.

And on top of that, compared to the US and Canada, where you have highly processed foods, a lot of the blue zone regions are focused on fresh picked fruit in the Ale, which that’s kind of obvious. I think a lot of people sit there and go, Okay, well, you have fruits and vegetables or ideal for you, but in the Blue Zones, the really interesting thing about it is that they aren’t modifying their diet because they’re trying to do a diet, they’re just eating what they’re used to, which is very plant-based, it would be considered organic in most of North America, but they’re not actively searching for that like we would do in Canada or you can… In the US, right?

They’re looking at and saying, I’m eating what I think is normal, which is a heavy plant diet, organic food, it’s having some meat, but not too much and not a lot of process food, which is super, super interesting because those people are living 95 years and older, obviously, they figured something out. Right, yeah, yeah. And I think I’ve seen some of the studies on these kind of blue zones, I hadn’t heard it called that, but a lot of the interesting components are also kind of what I was saying before, these other dimensions of wellness, so they’re often in groups, they’re eating as a social thing, they have traditions, maybe they’re eating traditionally raised animals or they’re preparing food and traditional ways, they aren’t just thinking about, Okay, am I seeing for health they’re eating because of all these other dimensions of wellness, and I think it really brings it all together and that’s what’s sustainable and not with healthier, it’s a lot of what I’m trying to get people to do and recognize is don’t just move for performance, don’t just trite for your health, but do it for all these other reasons, ’cause that’s what makes it… It’s enable and that’s what makes it healthy and enjoyable, so it’s nice to see that there’s new components you quick to longevity as well, and how people live and live in quality as well.

Well, the really interesting thing too about the Blue Zones is this not just diet-related, the other part of it that is kind of brought up at least if you read some of the books, like The Blue Zone project or looking… Some of the videos… One of the things that they talk about is that these individuals who are living to 95 plus, they all do exercise, but they don’t do it like we do in the United States or Canada, they don’t go to the gym and pick up weights and put them back down and say, Okay, I did some extra case, what they do is their whole life styles based on an exercise, right.

It could be 85 years old and they’re still walking five miles a day back and forth to get places instead of getting in a car driving, going to Donald’s eating a 250, 205, 100 calorie meal, and then coming back and sitting on their couch and watching for us of TV, instead, they’re walking extensive distances to have fruits and vegetables that they pick themselves and modify themselves as opposed to going through this North American processing system of taking a fruit or vegetable that would normally not last very long at all on the A… To preserve it, to be able to move it from South America and North America, from East Asia to North America. And it’s really interesting because people in the Blue Zones, they’re actually very into cooking their own food, in having and creating their own alcohol, and I also making sure that meals are not about eating for fullness, it’s just about eating ’cause they enjoy it. Do it’s very different.

Yeah, absolutely, and you can see all these things coming together, it’s all just one lifestyle to everything’s connected and it’s not these segmented things, it’s not going to the gym, okay, now I’m eating, it’s all part of this sort of integrated lifestyle, so I think that’s really cool and interesting, in your experience, because you have so much of that nutritional background, what do you see in the Canadian US market, do you think that people are under supplementing… Over-supplementing. They have good diets. Bad guys, they’re changing. Give us some background is what you think the future is for healthcare and wellness in the US and Canada?

It’s hard to know what the future will bring. I definitely see sustainability being a big factor, so we’re seeing if that rise in plant-based foods, the Beyond Meat, burgers, those types of things, where there is that conscious effort to make the carbon footprint lower.

But in terms of what everyone’s doing… You kind of touched on it. Yeah, this rate, like alter process too, Dee.Environment that we’re constantly in. That’s definitely a big problem. And then kind of the cultural elements of eating, we don’t eat with people in an environment where we’re cooking and sharing recipes, a lot of what we do is we do eat socially, but we’re not eating socially in the right way. I think we should be encouraging people to cook together and bond over food and incorporate traditional food practices, we should be getting excited to shop for ingredients and look for things more locally, we should be teaching young people about where foods are grown and have… Where they come from about seasons and agricultural practices, and then incorporating all those other sort of dimensions as well, so including lifestyle factors and movement into how we’re eating. I think the shift that we’re gonna see the most is going to be with food processing people are starting to recognize that ultra process foods, these foods that are not even in a state of… Recognition, the ingredient list is 100 credits long, and most of them aren’t even food, so I hope… And I think the industry is gonna be moving towards making food out of Real Food, and I hope with that comes to the increase in nutrition and supplements, for the increase in nutrients within the food as we continue to make food without the process and… And I… Yeah, that’s probably true. Is that they’re moving away from the current processing process, they go through it to take food from another country, bring it into North America where it can’t sustainably grow in its own right now, and because you don’t get the things like bananas from coaster, you take a banana 30 years ago or 40 years ago, there was no such thing as a seedless banana, but that’s what everybody’s used to right now, is a banana that has no seeds, and because we’ve modified this fruit over time, it’s really become different than what people think. And at the end of the day, you could have whatever stance you want on genetically modified foods, but likely foods that have more preservatives and foods that are more processed are gonna be less ideal for the body, and because of that, we have to really modify our diet or take supplementation to make up for it, I… Absolutely, and something that’s interesting that I don’t know whether it’s going to be something, I don’t know it… It’s in high enough demand, but something that really resonated with me and a food trend that I would like to see… I learned from the book, the DRDO effect, and the whole concept is that in our… The way that we perform agriculture, in the way that we raise animals, we need it fast, we need to grow food in a shorter amount of time, and we need a higher yield, so the result is things like tomato, is that instead of taking 3040 days to grow they reach full maturity at two weeks, and the result is dilution of vitamins and minerals in those foods, and the same happens with meats and chicken, so chickens are full-grown now in a third of the time that it takes, or used to take a chicken tofu maturity, and so, as these micro-nutrients and minerals are diluting in the meat and in the flesh of these root and vegetables, the flavor comes out of it as well, and so as a result, our body is starving at a cellular level, we aren’t getting those vitamins and minerals that are crucial for our function, but we’re also noticing that those foods are bland, a tomato now does not taste like a tomato 30 years ago, and we’re compensating by creating artificial and natural flavors, and we’re adding those to foods, and we’re not used to eating foods without dressing, hence the last time you ate a salad that didn’t have a dressing on it, maybe just a squeeze of lemon or lime juice would be all it needed if it were produce grown with its full nutrient profile and its full flavor profile.

So something I would love to see as a food trend is the consumers demanding food that’s nutrient-rich and still has that high yield, so we can still feed the populations that we need to feed, and it is something that scientists are capable of, but because there’s no… Push for consumers to have those types of produce and meats.

Happened.

I hope people start to catch on to, and I definitely recommend the book are to effect, to learn a little bit more about it ’cause it’s fascinating and so crucial.

And to wrap things up here, ’cause we talked about a lot of different components, maybe give a recap of what fuel proof is actually all about, and then how people can reach you after this podcast. Yeah, absolutely. It’s kind of a joke, I’m kind of a jack of all trade, so anything health and nutrition I’m on board with, but fuel proof is for athletes and it’s for movement in is… So the mission is just to propel athletes to be their best, highest performing sells now and throughout life. So fuel proof offers a community of athletes, sharing their stories about athletes, Sustainability, it’s a place to get scientifically reputable information about movement and about sport and nutrition, and it’s also placed to get resources to put it into action.

So you can find us on Instagram at field proof health as well as on field proof health dot com. And we’re looking for athletes that have something to say, they have a story, who are looking for researchers that are working on literature in those areas to bring it to the forefront and to start compensating… Really what it means to be an athlete?

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