A ninth day people have to sit back and look at what they’re doing and say, anything can be learned, you have the internet at your fingertips. There’s no excuse to not know how to do something, you might not be expert at it, I’m not saying Someone needs a book on medicine and becomes a medical doctor, that’s really not a… But it’s about… But there’s so many things you can watch and then do, right, learn might learn, implement and you don’t need to have a formal education that you don’t need to have necessarily apprenticeship, you have so much opportunity to learn on your own, it’s just that people are not self-motivated enough to actually do it. And a lot of people say, Well, I don’t know how to do that.

That is not an acceptable answer today on for anything it… I might not know how to do it now, but I can probably figure out to do it if you give me enough time and give me the resources… Right, a thing for everybody, everyone has the same opportunity to have the internet, you have a computer or whatever it is, you can go online with a video, learn how to do it.

Welcome back to The prospecting show. Today is May 21st, 2020. we got Mike premise on the show. How are you doing?

I’m doing good, sir. How you in today?

Very good, thank you.

Thanks for jumping on the show to start things off, maybe give us a little background about where you come from… Tell us a little bit about you.

Yes. So yeah, like you said, my name is Mike Pence. I’m from Pittsburg, Pennsylvania. I run the podcast called Stop kids 412. like I said, born raised in Pittsburg, went the high school, Pitta, Catholic tamer, currently a tri-major ducie university, study in English Education, computer systems technology.

Yeah, and just honestly, me just trying to find my niche in this crazy world we’re living in and just trying to help people every day.

Yeah, that’s awesome. And so with being in school and having the podcast, what do you think you’ve learned most there… I know the one big thing that I learned a lot about when I was in school was just straight culture right there, I went to a school up in Canada, University of Western Ontario. I think it’s 35 000 students. There’s people everywhere. It’s a relatively big school. There’s six or seven really large schools in Ontario, and then you come to the US… I live in Pittsburgh to now, and it’s a very different environment. So what are your comments or what kind of things do you see being in the school environment right now and having a podcast… Honestly, it’s kind of… I’m kind of in a great situation, I feel like Pittsburgh to me, is kind of lacking in terms of exposure for the music scene, and me being 21 and living in the south side and going to Duke University, I’d say I’m probably a perfect candidate to take that role and try and do something with it.

Mostly just because since I did grow up in Pittsburgh, I have some Pittsburg connections already, but then obviously going to a university such as detained that has a very high prestigious outlook, that has enabled me to kinda use du cans network to… And grow my podcast to… Honestly, it’s a great situation I’m in right now, and I’m just trying to make the best out of it.

In with education, going to June and really focusing your efforts there, what have you learned the most, would you say up to this point in your education, what is the most important thing or concept that you’ve really kind of been like, Hey, I definitely need to take this forward with me in the future.

Okay, so honestly, education in my viewpoint, since I am gonna be a future educator, I kinda allow myself with Socrates a little bit in terms of the knowledge is already inside us, we just need guided towards it.

So really, the thing that I’ve gained from my education so far is more… I wouldn’t say I’ve learned more from my real life experiences that I’ve learned in the classroom, but the classroom has given me this to box that I like to call it’s like giving me those skills to really, one, learn how to approach life in terms of approaching it and a positive outlook is not dwelling on negative, it’s really giving me a structure, I’m a very routine person, my educational life has really structured me and kind of anchored me down and give me goals to attain and set for myself.

Yeah, and that’s interesting, we say that too, ’cause I talk to a lot of younger people now I’m myself, I’m 26, going on 27 here and going through multiple education systems, partly in Canada with an undergraduate degree, a doctorate in the US. I’ve had the pleasure, I guess, of having both educational systems, and one thing I can say for sure that aligns with what you’re just talking about, is not everything you’re looking for is in the education system, right? Education, super important. Formal school isn’t always the only way or isn’t the only auction for people, but I think a lot of people miss the point of education, that the point is to, like you say, take the knowledge, take the skills that you have inside and bring those back up.

Yeah, absolutely. I think people get caught up in doing daily… I think school… I think one of the problems with school, and I think why a lot of students lose interest is because they feel like they’re just doing busy work and they don’t really understand what they’re learning and how it applies to the real world as somebody who studies English and wants to teach English and high schools.

I look in literature as a way to teach about what’s happening in the world today, right.

So obviously, right now we’re going to the Coven 19 pandemic, so it’s gonna be interesting to see probably within… I would say probably within the next decade or two that were moved from this and we start having non-fiction and fiction novels come out about… The Coven 19 situation. It’s gonna be interesting for me as a teacher. They’ll be in the classroom doing this time to take those books and not really use my personal experience from living through it, but they also use the literature to explain to the kids what life was like, how people dealt with their issues back then, and by doing so in using literature as the vehicle, it enables kids to really connect, in my opinion, really get out of their own world and enter a new world and learn the skills in this fictional world to then bring with them back into the real world and apply them moving forward.

Yeah, and you’re definitely right. Things are gonna change a lot coming up here, I think you’re gonna see people have a different approach, a different mindset, a different model that they go through with both healthcare and just doing business. Right, this is probably the first time that we’ve had an equal healthcare issue and even bigger economic issue, you look at some of the data around COBIT right now, depending on what side of the fence people sit on, there’s somewhat of a geopolitical issue with China in the US, there’s a little bit of a political issue just on what people stand, so are people that are on different sides to the fence for the vaccine, there’s a lot of different political components to it, but the one thing that really doesn’t lie is for the most part, the stats, right?

And I… What the stats are showing right now is that, yes, there are a lot of people infected, the death rate is probably lower than what we think it is, and the number of exposures is probably significantly higher, it’s just hard to track it in the way that we’d like it to…

I think on the flip side of that, the part that people haven’t talked about as much, they are starting to, but haven’t talked about as much is the economic impact, where I almost 40 million people on pulling the United States right now, which is well over 10%, and that impact is gonna go significantly beyond some people who have been infected with Cova… Yes, there are people who have died.

Yes, there are people who’ve had significant problems because of Cove, but there are a lot of businesses they’re closing, they just saw, I think it was JC Penny and Pier One imports that are all going bankrupt, they’re done totally the business with thousands of jobs that are gonna be gone with them. So I think we’re just sitting on the tip of the iceberg with unemployment, and I’m interested in your stance on whether this is a more of an economic issue or more of a healthcare issue?

Honestly, like you said, I think it’s kind of both. I think co9 is really drawn a line in the sand for a lot of issues in terms of a… Basically, we’re in election year… Let’s address the elephant. Interim, it is an election year, so it’s gonna be interested in the sea, and you’re always starting to see what the ads on TV in terms of… There’s forgetting the one at sponsorship, you’re seeing these… You said it’s republican, democrat. Or then it’s no vaccine vaccine. And then also too, when it comes to the contact tracing, people are scared of using… ’cause this is one company that I saw that came out, it’s using the cell phone network towers to conduct contact tracing, and that to me, as somebody who studies computer science, yeah, that’s even a little worrisome to me in terms of my privacy, so it’s like… I feel like we kinda jump back in time a little bit to post-9-11, it’s like, Yes, we want security, but at what risk to our own privacy.

Yeah, that’s a really interesting point. Action, I think depending on who you talk to, there’s gonna be some people who are very interested in the epidemiologic studies and some of these long-term immunological studies where you’re saying who got it, what kind of issues did they have and where are they around the world. Maybe more so in the US than other countries, because that’s just a big focus here right now, and then you got the other side of it, kind of like you’re saying, where we know it’s important to actually track this, but at the same time, we don’t want to in fringe people’s right. So you kinda get this Republican Democrat back and forth kind of conversation, and I think at the end of the day, people need to understand that it’s very difficult to make these decisions. I don’t think it’s easy for one group or one party to say, Yeah, this is what we’re gonna do for everybody, but I think at the same time, people need to understand that a decision has to be made, right, there is some form of decision-making process that’s gonna have to happen, is a vaccine gonna be made 100% of actions come… Is it gonna be mandatory?

I don’t know, it might be, it might not be. Where is the line drawn with that… Is it religious beliefs? Is, can you just opt out of it for the sake of opting out, what if people get heard from the vaccine… Right, right.

There’s all these issues that people haven’t really considered all the pieces for yet, in my opinion, I think the issue is gonna be the backlash of the legal… When this is all done, I think the biggest profiteering here is definitely gonna be legal, there’s gonna be corporations who are sued for bankruptcy and unemployment and mistreating employees, for letting go of employees for closing down locations, for not paying people properly, for closing out deals. They’ll be B2B type transactions that are all messed up, but at the end of the day, I think the small business is the ones that are really getting crushed right now, a lot of them are gonna disappear in a lot of businesses are gonna start going online, which is really interesting because one of the companies that I own syntax is focused on B2B business development, and what I’m seeing right now is the sole opener or the small business, five employees or less are really going online ’cause they’re realizing, Hey, I don’t necessarily need to go in the office anymore, we don’t need to spirit 5000 a month on rent.

Through this medical issue that’s happened, people are realizing the economic benefits of making some changes, and it’s really interesting because I think the youngest people who are really good with technology are starting to realize that a job is no longer required to actually do business.

And the thing is, too, you mentioned with everything changing in terms of businesses taking maybe a second look at office space, I think that’s one thing that we’re gonna see is even big companies… So a friend of the family of mine was the CFO of UPMC, and he was just over my house recently talking to my father and he was talking about in… Yeah, frankly, why would we take the office space when now it’s like, I know my employees can work for him, so it’s like why am I gonna take this financial risk in terms of liability at the workplace, the office space, the utility bills, all of this extra cost that comes up, he’s like, If I can save myself hundreds of thousands of dollars every year by just having people work from him… Why would I not capitalize on that?

Yeah, and it’s really a No Brain or two, and you look at what… Lifestyle seems to be a bigger thing, like people used to have this… Let’s go 100 years ago.

Then maybe the man of the household was primarily the worker, the bread winner, and the female, the household stayed home, and then both started working together, then it became very much… People worked for 30 years at the same place.

Now we’re transitioning into two to five years of work, now everyone’s going remote, the transition of social norms have changed substantially in the business world, and I think the biggest opportunity right now is work from home. I see probably 40 to 50% of the small business workforce being Soli printers, people that are working from home, they offer a product or service, and they’re offering that to the public instead of these huge corporations, the corporations will still exist.

I think more and more people are gonna stop working at McDonalds and start working on a laptop job…

I just see it that way. I think people are getting more excited about technology, they have flexibility, and depending on their skill set, I think there are some people that are educated or not educated that can really do a ton from the computer, and they’re really starting to see that now.

Yeah, absolutely, and I think a lot of it comes back to addressing the educational system, if you wanna make the push… Especially for online education. So I think the biggest vulnerability that was pointed out throwing the… So co9 situation was the US education system, you know. We don’t have the ability to go online.

Right, and it’s Shamus one, you don’t know whether or not your student has access to internet as a computer, has parental guidance that can help him with his or her homework. And second off, I saw Pittsburg Public School District was sending out these big workbook packets for students who didn’t have access to a computer or access to the internet. Right, but the problem that they were finding out what these packets is, a lot of these kids are going home to nobody there at as they’re growing up with a grandmother or they’re grown up with their uncle, or their parents aren’t maybe just maybe not in the picture as much as maybe your and my parents might have been.

So when you have a fourth grader sitting down with this big workbook packet, trying to teach himself simple addition, that’s easy for you and I, that’s a very complicated task for somebody at that age to conquer on their own when they don’t have a teacher or just a mentor to call on and ask for help. So that’s for sure, right? There’s really no two ways about it. At the end of the day, the education system…

I’m actually a huge proponent of this, I really think the education system is to be changed a lot because you look at…

I’m really big into reading a lot of audio books, Audible things like that, and I just spend a lot of time in professional development books.

I like for our work. We never split the difference. How to Win Friends and Influence People. Those kind of books.

And right now, I’m listening to Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss. And you realize that these skills that he teaches about negotiating, that should be a core component of school, if you want people to understand how to negotiate contracts, little things like projects or whatever it is, to learn that skill, and you start to realize the people who become more self-educated, not formally educated, have so many daggers in the bank, now that I’ve learned some of the skills from Chris Foss from his audio book, it’s an unfair advantage, it’s not even close because you learn the skills, and if you go up against somebody else who’s never read it or… Never learn those skills. It’s not gonna be close. It’s like taking envy, it’s like taking LeBron James and having them play basketball against the 40-year-old, it’s not as a remotely possible… You know what I mean? So the education is important. I think the formal school system, K-12 plus undergraduate degrees, plus doctorate and masters and some of these higher level education, where they fall short as they don’t teach what’s necessarily important, they teach what the bureaucracy kind of sits back and says, This is what we think you should know.

I think that’s the problem with education, I think the major thing that needs to focus as people need to realize, if you can look it up, but there’s no sense of memorizing it, there really isn’t anything that you can put into a calculator. I spend all the time to learn how to do all these things, I spend the time learning how to learn, don’t spend the time on how to do rote memory type stuff, right.

A perfect example. Have your education. My education originally in the science is I got a doctorate of chiropractic, I could tell you right now, 50% of that degree is rote memorization, just learning where stuff is, and honestly… Application-wise, it’s really not that important. It really isn’t it, because the chiropractic degree is really focused around treating the spine and muscular skeletal conditions and nerve pain and things like that, and really making sure that people have great posture and a lot of those things that people look at it tire factor for.

But what a lot of people don’t understand is we spend hours and hours and hours looking at things like visceral pathology, looking at liver disease, that’s not part of what we do, yet we spend a crazy amount of time learning about it, and at the end of the day, it’s great to be well-rounded, but… Is that really essential?

I think no.

Right, and that’s kind of one of the issues that I bumped into when I went in to college, so I originally started off as a biomedical engineer. And after a semester of that and try to balance a at a 18 credit load and play football in my first semester freshman year was just a lot to handle, and I really… Just in that my heart was in it. So I made that change into my new majors now, and it was… One of the things that I had to go through was credited adjustments and losing credits, and it’s kind of a… Like, Do I really need to take this? If I’m going into English or I really need to take Calc One, I’m not gonna use it for anything that I’m going into… Why do I have to take Calc One? You know what an… Yeah, the pre-requirements are like that… That’s the whole issue is that I always joke with people. I took Calc as well, and there’s only five answers in Calc… Right, negative two, negative 101 and two, right? That’s the house. And are you got those fines for everything, so… Or undefined in some level, so you know, that to me seems like a really kind of waste of time given the fact that it might be teaching you problem solving, but at the end of the day, a lot of people get through Cal not understanding what they’re actually doing, they’re just kinda figuring out how to answer questions, and I take that person and put them into a situation where they need to problem solve, they still can’t… So I think a lot of people say schools about problems solve and teaching people how to work through issues, collaboration and things like that, and although that might be true, there’s a lot better ways to teach that, right. You can do a lot of small group setting, large group seating, problem solving, and you can put people into working environments… Maybe not super young. I know there’s a lot of issues with that too, but you can put people into working environments where they have to problem solve with that having to spend 50 000 a year.

Yeah, and that’s kind of one thing I’ve always wanted that I’ve always wondered what happened to apprenticeships at an IT. If you wanted to be a blacksmith, it’s like you want any work got a blacksmith on how to be a back miss.

And it’s like when I talk to friends, min who have graduated out the education program, like you don’t really learn… I didn’t learn how to become a teacher in college, it’s like it took me about three to five years in my career to learn how to be a teacher, it’s like…

I learned the policies, I learned what my policies were in how to basically structure a day, but I didn’t learn how to actually teach the information or connect with my students, make sure I was creating an inclusive classroom, all these things that… We claimed a master teacher that should be able to accomplish… You don’t learn that stuff in college, you learn that out in the real world, and a lot of that, to me, a lot of your education in general is learned through your real life experiences.

Personally, I knew nothing about podcast at all, I don’t know if you did either, but I decided I wanted to do it, so I wasn’t learned about it in my research, I went and found what software I should be using the ED at my podcast. What’s the best platform to use to distributed graphics? All the ins and outs of the podcast world, I’ve learned from YouTube. Not from my classroom.

Yeah. Well, and that’s just it. I think at the end of the day, people have to sit back and look at what they’re doing and say, anything could be learned… Do you have the internet at your fingertips? There’s no excuse to not know how to do something. You might not be an expert at it. I’m not saying someone reads a book on one medicine and becomes a medical doctor, that’s really not what it’s about, but there’s so many things you can watch and then do learn, implement, learn, implement. And you don’t need to have a formal education for that, you don’t need to have necessarily apprenticeship, you have so much opportunity to learn on your own, it’s just that people are not self-motivated enough to actually do it. And a lot of people say, Well, I don’t know how to do that.

That is not an acceptable answer today on for anything we…

I might not know how to do it now, but I can probably figure out how to do it if you give me enough time and give me the resources… Right. See thing for everybody, everyone has the same opportunity, you have the internet, you have a computer or whatever it is, you can go online, watch a video, learn how to do it.

Do you wanna file a end of your tax return on your own?

Maybe, maybe not, but you definitely can learn how to do it for sure.

Right, you know what I mean? So that’s kind of the part that I think is interesting going forward here is I always say, school is not as important as education. educations what matters, right?

Keep ready to go to school people. Their teachers are very important. They’re definitely needed, but education is really what people are after, they’re trying to push the boundaries of what they know today versus what they’re gonna know tomorrow, and some people, they’ll spend 100 000 to go to four years of undergraduate, and then they won’t go spend 1000 to learn when they’re 35.Right. They wanna take a course.

They won’t get coaching. They won’t get consulting. I want… If you just spend 100 grand on school, why you so worried about spending a 100 2003000 on coaching for your highly factional South life?

I think the biggest discouragement for a lot of people is myself, I’ll just use myself as an a… Like I said, I’m majoring in three different degrees… Right. And I just finished my third year and I’m feeling burned out.

I, I’ve been non-stop, I take summer classes every summer, so I’d never have a time off or I’m not in school, so I think a lot of people just get burned out of the process and of the grind, and when you amount hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. On top of it, I think that’s what’s a lot… This taste in people’s mouths is okay, your thought to believe that to get educated, it’s like you have to spend this certain amount of money, you know what I mean? Well, that’s a crazy part though, is like I had this conversation another day with a young kid, I shouldn’t say kids, he’s probably… He’s going into his first year of undergraduate, and I said to him, I said, You’re going into school, but let me walk you through this exercise real quick and said, Okay, what’s the exercise?

Well, I said, Why don’t you give me a dollar right now, and I’ll give you 5 back, so he gives me the dollar, I give him 5 back. I said, Is that a good trade? And you said yes. I said, Okay, well, let’s flip around, you give me 5 now and I’m gonna give you a dollar back, and he said, Well, I don’t wanna do that deal, and I said, Why not? While the trade didn’t make sense, and I said that second trade didn’t make sense, but that is exactly what you were doing by going to school, you are gonna go trade 5, right? You’re gonna go trait grand, 200 grand to go make 30 to 50 000 a year.

Yeah, and people don’t realize that plus interest, right? Three to 7%, maybe more, if you do a Grad Plus and like that, but you’re gonna pay in a cruel interest on debt to go to school to make less money than with the school cost, so it’s gonna take you 20 years to pet.


How is that a good investment?

Yeah, and I think that’s one thing these universities are gonna take a look at after this whole pandemic, ’cause people aren’t gonna be able to afford Duke Duane itself is a 50… I think 55 or 57, it’s like a 6000 a year.

Yeah, yeah, I need the estate crazy people are gonna be able to afford that, and it’s gonna force colleges to adjust and also to…

I think one thing that I’ve also kind of been worried about, ’cause I’ve received a lot of scholarships and awards, the help pay for my schooling is I wonder if a lot of those will be pulled because of funding, people like there’s just no funding for them. So it’s, How are these universities that were used to handing out scholarships and stuff for Mayor-based and all these other things, how are they gonna be able to afford it now, especially if there isn’t no college athletics.

Oh, well, that’s gonna be… Yeah, that’s gonna be a huge problem at… It’s not gonna be office, it’s intend. This isn’t to make fun of athletes, ’cause my brother was athlete, went a full ride scholarship to UCF in Florida, and he’s played baseball and he’s great at what he did and… But I always make fun of them. I said, There’s a great meme out there that says, Oh no, you did really good on a test, here’s a 1000, and then it’s like, besides that you, Hey, you can catch a football here’s 100000, like… Where is the value there? Right, yes, I understand. Athletics is important in the school, makes money on it, and this and that, and whatever, but at the end of the day, if you miss value people, if you pay people for their time and not the result of you pay people for a skill set, that’s not really valuable to other people.

The problem with that is you get entitlement, which you see a lot… You see a lot of professional tides that go and they get into the NFL or the call, Hey, blow all their money because basically have they think they’ve made it and they don’t have management skills, so you start to realize that certain people are being rewarded for the wrong things, and it’s great because it financially offsets the education, but where it’s really bad as it creates these patterns, these mental patterns or these emotional patterns for these people that they can never get out of, because when they’ve bought a Bentley at 29 years old, it’s kinda screws you up a little bit.

Right, and so I think it’s interesting you talk about school and scholarships and education, how they all kinda come together because I think you’re right, the scholarship program, people are gonna start realizing what’s important, they’re gonna realize that on-the-job training is gonna be the most valuable degrees, because of the speed of learning right now, degrees are gonna be obsolete, you look at programming degrees, a lot of those are obsolete in three to four years, just because the speed of things are so fast, and then you go look at sports and you say, Is it really worth it to have somebody to go spend four years to play sports to offset their education… The answer is probably yes, ’cause their debt load is much lower, but at the same time, the answer is also probably we shouldn’t value that as much, we should value where the contribution is gonna be… Is that in healthcare? Is that in science and technology, is that in the arts, like where is that actually focused, because at the end of the day, it should be more about who’s gonna give back the most… Right, and the… It’s interesting.

Yeah, I mean, but at the the… There’s only one thing that really runs this world, unfortunately, and that’s money, and these universities, they wanna make their money, and the best way to make their money men, is they got to offer the best scholarship to the best players, and… If you go back, I watch a lot of 30 for 30s ’cause I’m big in the sports, you look back at situation such as ready, but just signing some memorabilia, and next thing you know, he has his Heisman trip the way of him, he’s basically erased from NCAA football history, but meanwhile, at the same time, the NCAA was making multi-millions of dollars off of this one athlete because as soon as they hit stardom, they become the poster boy, and then next thing you know, you have jerseys with your name on it being sold that you weren’t even getting money for… Yeah, so I… That’s exactly the whole point. It’s people misunderstand, they look at Los… And I used the banana basketball guy, but used LeBron James, I think I heard this on maybe another podcast or some kind of show, they said LeBron Jane does not pay to play basketball, it is not, he has paid to put butts in the seat and sell endorsement I don’t… Absolutely right.

His job is to sell his brand, his partnerships, and sell all the cat possibly cometh game, so that they can make money as no corporation it, both internally and externally.

His job is not to be just good at basketball, it’s a put button seats all the Pater… Right, and you’ve seen that throughout, in every sport has their icon and every area has their ACO, if there’s anything we’ve seen since we’re talking about basketball, I just look at Michael Jordan a played since the 80s, since the 80s and 90s, and yet he makes more money than shoe deals. Every year then the top 10 NBA players, including LeBron, combined together, like Katie’s brand, Steph Curry, all these other guys that are in the league right now, they’re really popular too. You take all their shoe soles, it still does not nearly a mount to Michael Jordans.

Yeah, and that’s really interesting ’cause you look at that, that’s a commerce standpoint, you’re looking at the trade of commodities, right, like a show or Parsons or a basketball or whatever it is, and he’s created a brand and brands definitely a value and they help people along, but the question becomes, where is the value the value on the athlete or is the value in their education is their value and what they can teach people is their value in just putting their name on something, and I think when you look at it, the money does not follow the value always, which is very strange because the value for them is really in the brand, the brand of their endorsements, and so they get paid by kilo near… He’s got is hot, that’s been, I don’t know, 10 years, 15 years, maybe he’s had that deal, I think, and he… He probably makes them more money than anybody else ever has or ever would, and so he should be paid for that… He should be paid for that. Unfortunately, there’s really no skills associated with it, other than the fact that he was good at basketball, and they said, Okay, let’s get you to promote this, and now it’s still going along just like Michael Jordan. Right, and so I think to kinda circle background on our conversation, the value that you bring to the table is typically what you get paid for, there are certain instances where that’s not the case, it… But in the educational system, I think the most important thing is that people feel good about what they’re doing, they learn what they want to, they go to school and they don’t take a ton of debt to do that, and if that means sports… That means sports, but people really need to focus on lowering income, debt disparities, we don’t wanna have a lot of debt and very little income, and looking at getting educated and what you think is important that might include school, that might include a trades program that might include self-education, there’s a lot of options, but at the end of the day, you’ve gotta be willing to spend money on personal development at some point in your career, if you’re willing to spend 200 grand to go to Duke… Right.

And that’s kind of where I wanna get in with the podcast, so I’m working on trying to file as a non-profit organization, because what I wanna do is I wanna eventually get to the point where I can start giving out scholarships and not just to four-year institutions, a lot of people give out, but to community college, to trade school, I have… My family is besides all my uncles and my cousins, a lot of them are blue collar workers, and my one cousin, he’s the same age as me. During this pandemic, I’ve been unemployed. Have not received unemployment, been denied, and I’m trying to work through that. But my cousin, same age, was laid off from his job, and since he’s a very handy person, he got a job working with a plumber, operating a machinery, is making 30 an hour cash. There is bacon 20 an hour cash building, demolition derby cars. And plus, he was getting the stimulus and his unemployment… Those are the type of people, if you can use your hands… If you can use your hands or you can use something that… If you can do something for others, I feel like you’re in a very good situation. Especially if you have a really good work ethic. I mean, it’s aisle, you become… You can be paid as much as you want to work, you know, like my cousin, if he wants to go and work seven days a week, he can and he’ll make his money and he’ll get paid what he should get paid because he’s worth every down him because he can do everything from roofing, the plumbing, to electric in a footer, you name it, my cousin can do it, and then it’s like… Unfortunately, I don’t have all those skills, and I wasn’t blessed with being good with my hands, I can’t go and build a deck like you can… So my option was, I’m a pretty intelligent person, so I wasn’t pursued college because that was the right choice for me, and I think what has really affected our country is the fact that we’ve had many generations now, stemming back to our parents in a lot… Before them, of constantly being pushed to college, you have to go to college if you wanna get a good job, you know what, man, this is your only route and that’s very wrong.

Right now, there’s a lack in trade, there’s a lack in commercial pilots, private pilots… My mom is a flight attendant and I… Right now, her company, before this, it was a…

I believe it 250-000 signing Bennis.

Because that’s… They’re that desperate for pilots right now, and it’s like a lot of these jobs that you’re gonna start seeing were jobs that were held by our parents or these blue collar jobs that people in our generation have really, in my opinion, Shi away from because they were told that if you work a blue collar job, you’re perceived there’s a stigma that you’re not educated or that you didn’t have all your… Everything tied up nicely in a boat, you know what, man, there’s something wrong with… Yeah, there’s over-casting shadow, there’s a negativity, there’s a down look on it, and so let me ask you this, to kinda wrap up… Wrap up the show here. Number one, how can people find your podcast? What’s the best way for them to find that?

So I just rolled out a new website actually last night, so if you just go to sit com, it’ll have everything you need, include links to Spotify, Apple, Facebook, YouTube and Instagram, and also on our page, all of the episodes are embedded in a nice play list for you to go and check out for free.

That’s awesome. And then last question for you.

Where do you see yourself going after school.

What do you think the next step is?

So that next chapter?

Yeah, do have to go four and a half years to finish, just ’cause I added on that third degree recently. So what I plan to do is to use that spring semester that I won’t be in school to… What I plan on doing is my lease will be up by in this apartment that I met, so I plan on trading and selling my car and whatever money I’ve saved up buying a Ford Transit, converting it to… If you ever found the page on read it, it’s called Van dwellers, so basically, they turn them in the camper bands, and my goal is to then hopefully have the podcast build up to a point where I can take it on the road and use that… That spring semester period for me that kinda just take a break, figure out what I wanna do in terms of… I’ve been looking at getting the possibly law school going on and getting a master’s degrees or just simply just looking for getting into my workforce, but yeah, honestly, I’m really excited for what the next chapter holds, but living every day as it comes, and join the moment and yeah, just stay tuned on the website and I… To be able to follow me on my journey.

Well, thanks, slot for coming on the prospect and show me and really appreciate your time, this will probably drop in about two weeks.

Okay, appreciate all your insights and everything that you’ve done, thank you so much for being on the show and thanks to everyone who listens to this and…

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